The new Conservatipedia, the conservative's answer to the notoriously liberal, even leftist anti-Christian (all said sarcastically) Wikipedia, has been getting a lot of press lately. DailyKos, AndrewSullivan and others have made fun of it.
And wow does it has a lot of fodder to make fun of. Take this article on Kangaroos:
Like all modern animals, modern kangaroos originated in the Middle East[1] and are the descendants of the two founding members of the modern kangaroo baramin that were taken aboard Noah's Ark prior to the Great Flood. It has not yet been determined whether kangaroos form a holobaramin with the wallaby, tree-kangaroo, wallaroo, pademelon and quokka, or if all these species are in fact apobaraminic or polybaraminic. After the Flood, kangaroos bred from the Ark passengers migrated to Australia. There is debate whether this migration happened over land[2] -- as Australia was still for a time connected to the Middle East before the supercontinent of Pangea broke apart -- or if they rafted on mats of vegetation torn up by the receding flood waters[2].
Ah.. really?
Or about about this one on the Pacific Northwest Arboreal Octopus... yeah, arboreal.. you know.. tree living...
Unlike most other cephalopods, tree octopuses are Amphibian, spending only their earliest life stages and mating seasons in their aquatic environment. Because of the moistness of the rainforests and their well designed skin adaptations, they are able to keep from becoming dried out for prolonged periods of time.(Citation Needed)
Citation needed? Ya think?
Oh and this one on Genetics:
The science that studies how characteristics get passed from parent to offspring.[1]
Oh, that was the entire thing. You'd think if they can write pages about a non-existent amphibious tree octopus, you'd get more than a sentence about genetics. I guess the contributors have priorities.
It's an unfair criticism really, it's a new site, so they need time to develop. But the kangaroo and tree octopus entries started to make me wonder. Is this site real? I might not agree with parts of the conservative ideology, but most old-school conservatives aren't wacko (that's a scientific term), I know a few who are quite brilliant in fact. So maybe it's only the wacko ones (and we've got them on all ideological spectrums to be sure) that founded and are contributing to this.
I read their reasons for disliking Wikipedia and calling it anti-Christian and anti-American. Some seemed quite silly, like wikipedia uses British spelling citing that if you go to "Most Favored Nation," you'll end up at "Most Favoured Nation." Yet in fact, if you go "Color," you end up at "color" not "colour." Do the British spelling of Colour though and you'll end up...yep, American spelling. Could it be not a anti-American bias but rather which article was most complete is the one that is the target or redirects?
Reading more and more I was getting the feeling this was not the sad inadvertent self-parody that people were making fun of, but rather an elaborate hoax to make conservatives look bad.
Then I saw this article about Bill Clinton, that says, among other things:
Bill Clinton managed to serve two terms without botching the prosecution of two wars, manipulating intelligence, engaging in a systematic program of torture, or mishandling the federal response to flooding of a major American city. Obviously, he is the devil incarnate. Clinton also attempted to use the American military to kill Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, an action which was properly seen as a mere attempt to distract the nation from the Monica Lewisnky scandal.
Ok, that HAS to be a tongue-in-cheek paragraph. A hoax.
Then again, it could be a contributor (since anyone can contribute, like wikipedia) who, in a Cobert Reportesque fit of editing, decided to make fun of conservatives.
Well, then the problem is which of these articles are 'real' (in that conservatives are writing them) and which are not (where others are writing them to make fun of conservatives).
The sad thing is (for mainstream conservatives), the "conservatives" (Christianists, as Andrew Sullivan calls them, and others) that have overwhelmed the public discourse when it comes to "conservatism," have so sullied the term that it's now actually hard to tell which is a parody and which is real.
"Conservative" is turning into the epithet that "Liberal" was in the 80's... maybe worse :).
Comments (6)
I thought it was a parody too, but then chased down enough references from Andrew Schlafly that I'm convinced it is real.
As a parent, I feel a bit squeamish -- many of the posts were written by Schlafly's students, participants in Eagle Forum's online "enrichment" for homeschoolers. The squeam is about ridiculing kids who are still in high school.
Comment #7815 on February 26, 2007 2:14 PM |
Understandably squeamish given that.
My criticism would be for Schlafly for then teaching this stuff and for making/encouraging his student's to parrot this in such a forum.
I'll have to look closer at some of those posts and see which are from him, students, etc.. but it will be hard to tell. The site is down.
Comment #7822 on February 26, 2007 5:38 PM |
Conservapedia is definitely not a hoax - it is very real, and very serious. It was started by Andrew Schlafly, son of Phyllis Schlafly.
Some articles are spoofs, written by malicious liberals attracted to the site through science blogs or,now that word is spreading, blogs like this.
Because of the extraordinary level of spoofing, vandalism, and general mocking, the site has shut down registration for new users for the forseeable future.
As for the entry on the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus - this article was posted by yours truly in an attempt to increase the level of scientific discourse on the site. Far too many of the articles are poorly sourced one or two sentence descriptions cribbed from creationist homeschool textbooks. The octopus entry is an attempt to rectify that situation.
Of course, the most telling thing about the entire situation is that while many of the articles are spoofs, just as many are absolutely genuine, and most of the world doesn't seem to be able to tell them apart....
Ken L
Comment #7824 on February 26, 2007 6:00 PM |
what are you trying to say with that last paragraph...
Comment #7828 on February 26, 2007 9:20 PM |
How does that increase the level of discourse. Maybe I'm missing something.
Yeah, and that was my point in my last paragraph... if you can't tell a spoof from the real thing, it should tell you something about the real thing :).
Comment #7837 on February 26, 2007 11:51 PM |
The site you're referring to is "conservapedia". I actually own conservatipedia and it's a site to make fun.
Cheers with beers.
Comment #79766 on December 2, 2007 8:26 AM |