
That is what a man said to me the other day. He, and what looked like his teenage son, were passing out flyers and wearing t-shirts that declared “one man + one woman = marriage” in front of the grocery store in the Sunset district of San Francisco. He was working for the California constitutional amendment that would take away the rights and protections of my family. My 6-year-old daughter was at soccer practice, so I thought I’d get in some grocery shopping done during the time. As I was pushing my cart out the door, the man approached me. At first I just put up my hand, looked away and say “No!”
But as I got to my car and unloaded the groceries, I began to fume. We have a marriage planned in two weeks, a daughter in first grade and a second one about to come into our family. It hit me that this wasn’t a nebulous political battle that had an indirect effect on my family. No, this was a specific and direct affront and attack on my family. It would have an extremely negative impact on me, my husband and, this is where I started to get really angry, our children. My ‘papa-protection’ mode started to fire me up.
So, as I returned the cart to the store, I passed the man again and again he tried to get me to take a flyer. This time I didn’t just put my hand up. I looked him in the eyes and said, in a firm tone “This is an attack on my family. What you are doing is an attack on me.”
His response, “Don’t take it so personally,” set me off.
“Don’t take it personally?! Don’t take it PERSONALLY?!” I nearly yelled back, “This amendment you are pushing will strip the rights and protections of MY family, how can I not take that personally!?”
He answered feebly that “Well, gay marriage will hurt my family.” I was now in complete fury mode, trying hard to keep from yelling in anger at a man I did not know. “HOW?!?” I nearly screamed, “How in the hell do MY marriage and protecting MY children hurt YOUR family? Give me one, just one, example! ONE!” By this time, a half dozen shoppers were standing and watching, most nodding in agreement with my words.
He couldn’t or wouldn’t answer. Well, he can’t. There is no answer, because my rights are not a zero sum game, they don’t destroy his. I then began to animatedly and a bit loudly tick off a half dozen ways his precious discriminatory amendment would strip my family of the rights and protections it deserves and needs. I continued and reiterated that he and his amendment were a direct and personal attack on my family. I concluded with “You and yours are doing a bigoted and hateful thing! I hope someday before your judgment, you realize that!”
I felt a bit bad, his teenage son at this point looked like he was about to cry and that was not my purpose. But, after returning and watching the last of my daughter in soccer practice, I decided I didn’t feel remorse at all. He, and every person working for this amendment, needs to understand this is an assault on our families and our children.
And you see, he got the brunt of all the things I wanted to say to my Mormon friends and family. An experience just a few days ago that was disheartening and discouraging, and deeply personal. I used to be Mormon, I was a zealous convert at the age of 18, excommunicated at the age of 38. My husband used to be an active Mormon also, as is most of his family now.
The Mormon Church makes it personal
The LDS Church excommunicated me just over 10 years ago because of my relationship with my husband. The Church severed my ties to my faith because of my love, and now they are trying to sever the legal ties to that very same man I love and our children. It’s personal.
The Mormon church and it’s members are pouring huge financial resources into the campaign to enshrine discrimination into our state’s constitution and attacking my family. As someone who used to love the church and still has a soft spot in my heart for many of it’s beliefs and who loves many members, this has felt like a personal affront. But my husband’s experience last Wednesday at a Mormon church meeting made it clear, the Mormon church is doing everything it can to attack my family.
My husband, his name is Guy, had heard that the Church had called a meeting of ALL congregations in California. There was to be a satellite broadcast from the Church headquarters specifically about Proposition 8. He wanted to go and find out what they were going to say and do. Unfortunately, I was on a business trip, so I could not go with him.
What he heard and saw was, in a word, terrifying.
The broadcast was from the Church headquarters in Salt Lake City. There were various speakers of high rank in the Church. They admonished members to work hard and contribute time and money to passing this hateful amendment. They had videos of young people saying that “It was the most important job they would be doing in their life time” (really? I thought later, the most important job of your life is to destroy my marriage?).
But that wasn’t the scary part, it was the organization. The Mormon Church is good at that. At a moment’s notice they can get thousands of men, women and children out on the streets to help stop a flood or rebuild a devastated village, or they can take that same energy and get thousands of men, women and children to attack my family. They have chosen to attack my family this time around.
The meeting called on every congregation in California to find 20 volunteers to work for the passage of Proposition 8. EVERY congregation! 20 volunteers! California has tens of thousands of congregations and hundreds of thousands of members. These volunteers are to work relentlessly to attack my family. Then, 100 hours before the election, the entire congregations are to get out and work for the passage of the legal nullification of my family. They are to go out and pass out flyers, attend rallies, phonebank.
My beloved husband was dejected, angry and depressed after that meeting. He went to see what they were up to, he came out scared. After he explained it to me, I became dejected, angry and depressed. The Church, and many of it’s members, must feel that’s it’s not enough to eject me forcibly from my faith (one that I devoutly loved for 20 years) because of my relationship, they are now following me into our home to tear apart any legal and social rights we might have. Not content to kick me out, they have to come directly into my life.
As he wrote on the MOrmonsFor Marriage site:
Why is marriage so important for them and yet so important that WE never have it? It seems to me that some blind, extreme prejudice must be behind this crusade, not divine, loving inspiration from a God who I must believe loves all children and all families. I can’t believe God would not support ALL loving families and want us, also “to do all we can” to protect OUR children and the validity of our relationships, just as they think they are protecting theirs from gays destroying marriage and family. Frankly, most of the damage to families I’m seeing these days is caused by the torment the church is causing LDS families with gay members, dividing them bitterly over this issue as they pit them against their own family members, fighting to deny them rights at the behest of the church, and also the families of gay parents, like our own growing family and those of many of our closest friends. Why don’t OUR beloved children deserve the benefits and legal protection that marriage can provide?
Damn right it’s personal.
And scary. What do we have to fight against the money and organization the Church has? Families like mine don’t have a single man at the top telling us what to do and organizing us. We don’t have huge sums of money. How are we going to fight this.
Mormon friends and family attack our marriage.
Last night it became more personal still. As I was checking the “MormonsFor8” site, I notice that a close friend donated over 1,000 dollars to that campaign to destroy our family’s rights. A close friend who I’ve known for 30 years, who knows of my struggles and our family and my love for them. A friend who, after knowing all that, can still work to destroy it. It hurts to know he isn’t the friend I thought he was. Deeply painful.
And then today, my dear husband found out that his brother joined a “Protect” marriage group associated with and donating to the hate-group misnamed the “Family Research Council.” He did this in a public way on FaceBook. Though my brother-in-law and his wife are extremely conservative Mormons and we have had some intensely personal issues about our family and sexuality with them, we felt that things might be changing. They let us into their home and were caring and friendly just this summer. But then he turns around and gives his support and resources to directly attack our family.
How do we respond to a personal attack such as that? Can these close friends and brothers not SEE that what they are doing is attacking our family? Can they not, after DECADES of seeing our lives, our love and our struggles not care what they are doing? It has been an intensely painful experience. Their ideology has overpowered their love for us and their concern for our family.
Our children make it personal.
This entire episode has been put into even greater relief because Guy and I have only just this month finished our adoption homestudy to bring a second child into our home. Yesterday we went to the agency and looked at the profiles of the foster children awaiting homes. There were dozens: Children who were neglected to near starvation (and had siblings die because of it), children who were beaten to near death, or sexually abused for years. Children who were abandoned because they were sick or too hard to handle. Children from 1 year old to 17, of every race and ethnicity (and it might go without saying, but to the last one... they came from straight families). We looked at these children and wanted to take them all in, to give them a home. We can’t take them all, but we are considering one. In fact we are considering even two (which was not our plan). We are excited about it, and nervous. Our daughter is just plain ecstatic about having a sister or brother.
And yet, at the same time we are taking a child into our home, there are family and friends and strangers willing to make sure that child has as little legal family protection as possible and to make it as hard as possible for our family. We have spent years and hours and a huge emotional effort to bring that child into a home. We’ve allowed strangers to see every aspect of our lives, our past history, our finances, every corner of our home, our minds, everything to prove we are good parents. We are not saints, we are adopting for personal reasons, not to save the world. But haven’t we proved to our family and friends that we deserve those protections and rights of marriage? Haven’t they watched us raise a small pre-mature 4 pound infant from 2 days old to a bright, intensely happy, amazingly talented and confident 6 year old girl?
Yet we don’t deserve the protections of marriage?
It is indeed personal.
In less than two weeks, Guy and I are getting married... for the fourth time. We had a commitment ceremony in 1997 (an amazing and wonderful experience), we registered as Domestic Partners in 2000 in a small ceremony. In 2004, we were married in the San Francisco city hall during those amazing days (only to have it nullified shortly after). And now, after the legislature passing bills to allow our equality... TWICE (and the governor vetoing.. TWICE) and the State Supreme Court ruling that there is no legitimate reason to ban us from equality, we are getting married.
For the fourth time. We are hoping that this fourth time will be the charm. The one that sticks. We’ve have worked hard for it, struggled and fought for it for a decades, if not decades even.
We are having a big open house and party the day of our fourth wedding (October 26th) and we’ve asked the guests for a gift. The other marriages we didn’t ask for a gift, we felt that we were quite blessed and needed nothing.
But now we need something and we are asking for a gift. We are asking for our marriage itself. We are asking our guests to give to our gift registry, a gift to the No-on-8 campaign. Perhaps those gifts will help us keep our marriage.

I’m opening up our invitation to everyone here if they haven't already. Send me a note with your email and I'll put you on the evite, even if you can't come.. we'd love to add. And really, please, even if you’ve given already... 5 dollars more can go a long way: http://eqfed.org/equalityforall/fundraising/warren3-690561
Let me end on a good note. We have had overwhelming response of support from many of our Mormon family and friends. Guy’s parents and other brothers and family, all devout Mormons, support and love our family and have given to No-on-8, the same is true of many of our Mormon friends. Additionally, my family (who are not Mormon) and all of our friends have been very generous in their love and support. It makes us feel very loved and we are DEEPLY grateful. We are truly and sincerely blessed. Also, Mormon groups like MormonsFor8 (it’s a bit counter-intuitive, visit the site) and MormonsforMarriage (again, they support ALL marriage and are against 8) show that not all Mormons are blindly attacking our families.
Comments (20)
Trey,
Congratulations on your growing family. I am such a supporter of the right to be married and grow a family, regardless of your chromosomal makeup. Love doesn't know from chromosomes. My mother and her sisters were all adopted...a family made by choice. I wish I was in CA to support your cause but I want you to know I support your family 100%! Rock on you guys!
(This is Sharon P on your Facebook!)
Comment #171140 on October 17, 2008 5:31 AM |
I am convinced about this being the center piece: IT IS COMPLETELY PERSONAL! It destroys rights and possibilities and even families of real people. And what at all is christlike about such behavior?
But when I speak with friends or family I notice that most of them have stereotypical pictures of "gay" in mind - often derived from what they see in media or when it's time for Christopher Street day. It scares them and they don't make the connection that this is only one way of living as there are hundreds of ways to live for straight people.
None of them was ever able to give me a true reason why a marrigae consisting of two moms or dads can destroy or threaten a marrigae between one man and one woman. There just is none.
The critical point - often, but unfortunately not always as you had to discover - for me is to "give a face to the enemy". It has to be concrete, personal and people should know who they attack - it isn't so easy then anymore. One of my american friends on facebook called us all in at following/supporting prop 8 - and it was so relieving to see that some of my and even her friends openly refused to do so!
I cross my fingers for you and hope you have all the strength you need! And above all I hope you both will have a wonderful wedding day!!!
Comment #171332 on October 17, 2008 10:01 AM |
Together we can beat this horrible ammendment. Your family is an inspiration to all families. I look at the face of your beautiful daughter and I am blessed knowing she has such a wonderful family to help her grow. Thank you for taking the time to share the experience you had, it galvanized me into action. Your experience made it even more personal for me. My partner and I are planning our wedding for April so of course I am against prop 8 but seeing the direct threat to your family made prop 8 even more horrifying. Again I say together we will prevail.
Tim
Comment #171388 on October 17, 2008 11:47 AM |
Good for you Trey! We're going through their second attempt at making gay marriage illegal in Arizona - the proposition was already voted down once, and is completely unecesary since it's already banned! And I agree, having marriage banned when it's you and a partner is bad enough, but when you have children and a family it becomes an entirely more terrible thing.
Comment #171408 on October 17, 2008 12:28 PM |
Trey,
We're in NY, not California, and we just contributed on your registry.
This battle will be in NY soon.
Have a wonderful wedding day!
Steven, Brian and Darius
Comment #171421 on October 17, 2008 12:56 PM |
Trey, good post. I wrote about your post on my blog: http://www.jodymace.com/news/?p=227 As I say there, the real question is, why do people against gay marriage take it personally?
Comment #171454 on October 17, 2008 4:14 PM |
When he said "Don't take it personally", he means that marriage being between a man and a woman is a tenant of his religion and is not singling out just you. It's a law in his church.
I read your blog often, and I'm gay myself, but I see where the church is coming from. Marriage is a religious rite; Homosexually is a sin in the Bible. California is trying to meld the two. It'd be like California trying to pass a law saying premarital sex is now okay with God. See what I'm saying? It's fine to have premarital sex, but just don't try to get it approved as a religious event. Seems blasphemous.
Comment #171455 on October 17, 2008 4:15 PM |
Why doesn't the LDS (or Catholic) church go after divorce? That's against their idea of marriage too.
. . . oh wait, I remember, if they tried to outlaw divorce, they'd have to go after the personal lives of many more Americans . . . much easier to demonize a group that only comprises a small minority . . .
Comment #171474 on October 17, 2008 11:13 PM |
Trey, excellent write up. It moved me to tears to read your story and feel how you must have felt at that grocery store.
Yes, it is personal. Because so many people don't realize that this is about a "civil" matter and not a "holy" matter. Give to Caesar what is his and to God what is his. The State of California granting you and Guy (or me and Tim) a "civil" marriage certificate does not make your union "holy"! How can these people not realize that?! This is merely the State recognizing that you are making a long term, permanent, commitment to one another and in turn the "State" will make sure that you have "legal" rights, "legal" protections and "legal" benefits. There is not one iota of mention that God is also in this mix!
So, to turn this around and have a church like the Mormons and others attempt to muscle it's beliefs and views into the "State" is completely wacko! It almost seems like these churches are actually "elevating" the State to the level of a God.
Just look at how involved they have recently gotten into politics and politicians. These things are not the pervue of God. What would God care if the State of California, or any other non-holy entity, granted a "civil" marriage certificate to two gay men? It's not being done in his church. He won't recognize it (so most of them say), so again, let the State do what the State wants to do and let God do his own thing.
I emailed all of my friends and family in California urging them to vote "NO" on Prop. 8 as well as donated money to the fight.
We also have friends and family in Florida and they too have their own fight on their hands, Amendment 2. Even though same-sex marriage is already defined as "one man, one woman" in State law, they want to enshrine discrimination into their Constitution.
And here in Arizona, where we currently live, we are AGAIN voting on yet another ban on same-gender marriage, even though there is already a law against that and it has been upheld by the Arizona State Supreme Court. This time in the name of Prop. 102.
But, at least we had Connecticut join California in approving same-gender marriages. So, at least we are making progress towards equality. We just have to keep fighting for our "civil" rights.
Again, I don't care what churches do in the privacy of their own gathering halls. As long as they leave my family alone!
Otherwise, IT GETS PERSONAL!
California - Vote "NO" on Prop. 8!
Arizona - Vote "NO" on Prop. 102! AGAIN!
Florida - Vote "NO" on Amendment 2!
Connecticut - Vote "NO" on Question 1!
Comment #171505 on October 18, 2008 10:31 AM |
Trey,
As a former San Franciso resident, one who met my wife there and got married in California, I am honored to give you a wedding gift of this sort. I agree, this is personal--it's personal to me even though I am straight. This determines whether my friend Bill can achieve his dream of being married. I have a daughter the same age as yours, and your daughter looks as lovely and bright as mine--I want her to know that her parents aren't denied equal rights. just as my daughters will know that their parents aren't.
Congratulations on your marriage.
Comment #171523 on October 18, 2008 5:38 PM |
anon - you must have forgotten about the separation of church and state. If CA says that a legal marriage contract between two people of the same sex is okay, that has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with churches, or matrimony, or religious marriage. It has only to do with legal rights supported by the state.
California is not saying that same-sex marriage is okay with God, they are saying that same-sex marriage is legally okay. They say nothing about God, and any individual church or person can still believe that homosexuality is a sin, same-sex marriage is a sin, and those churches or people can refuse to perform or attend or be connected in any way with same sex marriage. But the state should not be able to.
Trey - sorry to hijack the comments. I'm in PA, but I've given to No on Prop. 8. I hope things go your way come election day, and congratulations on your growing family.
Comment #171529 on October 18, 2008 7:47 PM |
Trey, I'm over from Jody's site. Nice post. I heard - so far just a rumor - over the weekend that there IS one Mormon church in CA who refused to join with the others in fighting this. Know anything about that? I'd be curious to know which one.
Comment #171621 on October 20, 2008 7:49 AM |
Marriage is a religious rite
Sorry, but that's codswallop. Two straight atheists can get married in any state and the Church is not protesting against that! Marriage is a LEGAL. Whether anyone interprets it as being a religious rite outside of the law is their perogative, but irrelevent to this argument.
It'd be like California trying to pass a law saying premarital sex is now okay with God.
No, it wouldn't. The laws concerning age of consent do not stipulate that a person of age needs to be married. Those laws allow a person of correct age the choice to have sex, pre-marital or otherwise, and there are no religious implications. Similarly, legal same-sex marriage allows the choice to marry, in spite of any religious viewpoint to the contrary. The law grants a civil right, not a religious one.
Comment #171662 on October 20, 2008 9:52 PM |
Doh! That should read 'Marriage is a LEGAL rite'.
Comment #171663 on October 20, 2008 9:56 PM |
This is personal. Proponents of Prop 8 can't expect people to sit back while they try to rip apart families.
Comment #171709 on October 21, 2008 3:46 PM |
I'm going to go ahead and leave this in your comments since I couldn't find an email address (did I just miss it?).
You wrote:
"I then began to animatedly and a bit loudly tick off a half dozen ways his precious discriminatory amendment would strip my family of the rights and protections it deserves and needs."
I would REALLY appreciate it if you would email me those examples. Against his personal convictions, a family member of mine is planning on voting yes on prop 8 because the Mormon church told him to pray about it and now he's convinced God wants him to vote yes. He says that he's only ok with it because, in CA, domestic partners have all the same protections and rights that married people have. I would really love to have something specific to convince him otherwise. I've tried every logical, legal, and reasonable argument I know - the problem is that he AGREES with me but is still voting yes because of the Mormon church, and because he really believes it will not affect rights (apparently he does not think that marriage, in and of itself, matters as a right). Anyway, if you have the time and inclination, I'd appreciate anything you could tell me.
Comment #171977 on October 23, 2008 6:49 PM |
I'm proud of you, a stranger to me, for saying what you said. That teenage boy needed to hear another perspective, he needed to know that Proposition 8 affects real people and isn't just about holding up some scary, hateful ideal. I wish more people would speak out more often to those Yes on 8 monsters at the street corners and grocery stores.
Comment #172740 on October 29, 2008 10:01 AM |
There's been a meme going around LiveJournal (the "repost this if you agree" kind) in support of same-sex marriage, which a number of people on my friends list have posted. I didn't post it, because I don't believe in just regurgitating the words of others. Instead, I looked around for the most thoughtful article I could find on the subject with a quick search. I found and linked to yours, which I found by way of the Positive Liberty blog.
Comment #172858 on October 31, 2008 7:47 AM |
Trey, I have a question. Now that prop 8 has passed (unfortunately) do you get to stay married, since you were married when it was legal?
Comment #179409 on December 14, 2008 8:56 AM |
Good for you getting in his face like that. It blows my mind how people try and force their views on the masses. I myself am christian and do believe marraige is supposed to be between a man and a woman.. but you wont see me trying to stuff my believes down anyone elses throat or get them signed into law. Each person is entitled to their own believes and personal freedoms. Im also a big fan of freedom of speech. But when that freedom is stretch to the point where it becomes intentionally hurtful to other people.. as in your example or like all those people rallying outside the abortion clinic making women who go in their feel like crap.. I think a line should be drawn. *shrug* What are you going to do. People are assholes.
Comment #189528 on November 24, 2009 7:40 PM |